Talk:Thomas Murphy (Irish criminal)

‎Requested move 24 June 2016 ← Previous revision Revision as of 00:04, 25 June 2016 Line 74: Line 74:   ::::::: I agree, [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]] issue here. [[User:IrishSpook|IrishSpook]] ([[User talk:IrishSpook|talk]]) 23:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC)   ::::::: I agree, [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]] issue here. [[User:IrishSpook|IrishSpook]] ([[User talk:IrishSpook|talk]]) 23:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC)   :::::::: Since when is being called a Republican a BLP issue? Glad to see though you have dropped the ludicrous 9 million hits argument. [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 23:56, 24 June 2016 (UTC)   :::::::: Since when is being called a Republican a BLP issue? Glad to see though you have dropped the ludicrous 9 million hits argument. [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 23:56, 24 June 2016 (UTC)   + :::::::::Well, like I say, the Republican activity attributed to him in various sources is exclusvely involvement in illegal IRA violence - unless there is a record of service as a Sinn Fein councillor somewhere I am completely missing? The BLP issue is that he is being associated with very serious crimes, which he denies and which he not been charged with let alone convicted for, and which are far worse than the tax evasion he has actually convicted for. It must be very upsetting for him a simple farmer who knows nothing about the IRA. [[User:Miles Creagh|Miles Creagh]] ([[User talk:Miles Creagh|talk]]) 00:03, 25 June 2016 (UTC)   *'''Oppose''' requested move. Apart from the editor's blindingly obvious political bias for attempting to 'tone down' the Thomas "Slab" Murphy article (which the editor has shown a pattern of these biased edits) from him being a convicted "criminal" - which he indeed is - to being an innocuous "republican" which has a far more ambiguous and political meaning (he was arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced for being a criminal, not a republican!), it is clear that in the media and public arena that this individual is far better known now for being a convicted criminal than he ever was for being a "republican". "Slab" Murphy was never the public face of anything "republican" (political or paramilitary) because he did his utmost to stay out of the media spotlight. In fact only when his criminal trial began were the first published images of Murphy. The title's move from "Thomas Murphy (Irish republican)" to "Thomas Murphy (Irish criminal)" was clearly predicated by an event - his criminal conviction, and supported by numerous references, while [[User:Mo ainm]]'s reversion was predicated four months later by absolutely nothing, zilch, zero... nada. The number of reports of Murphy's criminal charge, trial and conviction far outweighs any reporting on his so-called "republican" activity. A quick Google search for [https://www.google.ie/search?q=thomas+murphy+criminal&rlz=1CATAAB_enIE692IE692&oq=thomas+murphy+criminal&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3.3873j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Thomas Murphy criminal] shows up over 9 million results, a search for [https://www.google.ie/search?q=thomas+murphy+republican&rlz=1CATAAB_enIE692IE692&oq=thomas+murphy+republican&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3.3272j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Thomas Murphy republican] shows up just 500,000 results, almost twenty times less. The editor also removed sourced content [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Murphy_(Irish_criminal)&diff=726553118&oldid=726551543 with this edit] of the inline description of Murphy being a convicted criminal and replaced it with the description of him being just simply an "Irish republican", a rather embarrassing slip up where the editor showed his true colours and broke from neutrality. [[User:IrishSpook|IrishSpook]] ([[User talk:IrishSpook|talk]]) 23:01, 24 June 2016 (UTC)   *'''Oppose''' requested move. Apart from the editor's blindingly obvious political bias for attempting to 'tone down' the Thomas "Slab" Murphy article (which the editor has shown a pattern of these biased edits) from him being a convicted "criminal" - which he indeed is - to being an innocuous "republican" which has a far more ambiguous and political meaning (he was arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced for being a criminal, not a republican!), it is clear that in the media and public arena that this individual is far better known now for being a convicted criminal than he ever was for being a "republican". "Slab" Murphy was never the public face of anything "republican" (political or paramilitary) because he did his utmost to stay out of the media spotlight. In fact only when his criminal trial began were the first published images of Murphy. The title's move from "Thomas Murphy (Irish republican)" to "Thomas Murphy (Irish criminal)" was clearly predicated by an event - his criminal conviction, and supported by numerous references, while [[User:Mo ainm]]'s reversion was predicated four months later by absolutely nothing, zilch, zero... nada. The number of reports of Murphy's criminal charge, trial and conviction far outweighs any reporting on his so-called "republican" activity. A quick Google search for [https://www.google.ie/search?q=thomas+murphy+criminal&rlz=1CATAAB_enIE692IE692&oq=thomas+murphy+criminal&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3.3873j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Thomas Murphy criminal] shows up over 9 million results, a search for [https://www.google.ie/search?q=thomas+murphy+republican&rlz=1CATAAB_enIE692IE692&oq=thomas+murphy+republican&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3.3272j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Thomas Murphy republican] shows up just 500,000 results, almost twenty times less. The editor also removed sourced content [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Murphy_(Irish_criminal)&diff=726553118&oldid=726551543 with this edit] of the inline description of Murphy being a convicted criminal and replaced it with the description of him being just simply an "Irish republican", a rather embarrassing slip up where the editor showed his true colours and broke from neutrality. [[User:IrishSpook|IrishSpook]] ([[User talk:IrishSpook|talk]]) 23:01, 24 June 2016 (UTC)   :: Please be civil and keep your arguments regarding this move request based on article title policy, also you clearly have no idea how google works if you think that the 9 million hits that are returned all pertain to this person quick look at them and it is everything from ancestry.com to a lawyer in Wisconsin. [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 23:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)   :: Please be civil and keep your arguments regarding this move request based on article title policy, also you clearly have no idea how google works if you think that the 9 million hits that are returned all pertain to this person quick look at them and it is everything from ancestry.com to a lawyer in Wisconsin. [[User:Mo ainm|<span style="color:#B22222;font-family:serif;text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''''Mo ainm'''''</span>]][[User talk:Mo ainm|<span style="color:black;font-family:cursive;font-size:80%">~Talk</span>]] 23:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)